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are the laboratories of democracy. do not let the government telling states what kind of training and medicare they have to have. if the state gets in trouble, we can step in to help them. the right approach is one that relies on the brilliance of our people and states, not the federal government. >> we are still on the economy but another part of it. this is segment 3, the economy -- entitlements. the first question goes to you, mr. president. do you see a major difference between the two of you on it? -- on social security? >> we have a somewhat similar position. it is socially sound. it will have to be tweaked. the basic structure is sound. i want to talk about the values behind social security and medicare. medicare is the big driver of our deficit. my grandmother helped to raise me. my grandfather died a while back. my grandmother died three days before i was elected president. she was independent. she worked her way up. she only had a high school allocation. -- education. she ended up being the vice- president of a local bank. she ended up living along by choice. -- living alone by choic

'm not to talk about the guy is behind social security and medicare, and then talk about medicare because that's the big driver of our deficits right now. you know, my grandmother -- some of you know -- helped to raise me. my grandparents did. my grandfather died a while back. my grandmother died three days before i was elected president. she was fiercely independent. she worked her way up, only a high-school education. she ended up being vice president of the local bank. she ended up living alone by choice. and the reason she to be independent was because of social security and medicare. she had worked all her life, put in this money, and understood there was a basic guarantee, a floor under which she could not go. that is the perspective i bring when i think about what's called entitlements. the name itself implies some sense of dependency on the part of these folks. these are folks who have worked hard, like my grandmother, and there are millions of people out there counting on this. so my approach is to say, how to strengthen the system over the long term? and in medicare, we did was said,

and to voucherrize medicare. romney will say he is the defender of the middle class. one thing both sides say this, could get heated tonight. >> we go to jim lehrer of pbs, moderating this debate. >> jim: i'm jim lehrer. i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates, between president barack obama, the democratic nominee, and former massachusetts governor, mitt romney, the republican nominee. this debate and the next three, two presidential, one vice-presidential, are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15-minute segments, with two-minute answers for the first question. then open discussion for the remainder of each segment. thousands of people offered suggestions on segment subjects or questions via the internet and other means. but i made the final selections. and for the record, they were not submitted for approval to the commission or the candidates. the segments, as i announced in advance, will be three on the economy and one each on

learn. we went after medical fraud in medicare and medicaid very aggressively. it saved tens of billions of dollars. i work with democrats and republicans to cut a trillion dollars out of our discretionary domestic budget, the largest cut in the discretionary domestic budget since dwight eisenhower. we have to do more. i put forward a $-- $4 trillion reduction plan on a website. you can look at the numbers. what cuts we make and what revenue would -- we raise. $2.50 for every cut we ask for a dollar of additional revenue, paid for by asking those of us who have done well in this country to contribute more to reduce the deficit. romney mentioned the bowls- simpson commission. that is how the bipartisan commission suggested we do it. in a balanced way with some revenue and some spending cuts. this is a major difference that governor romney and i had. you are looking for contrast. when governor romney stood on a stage with other republican candidates for the nomination, he was asked, "would you take $10 of spending cuts for just $1 of revenue?" he said no. if you take an unbalanced approach

in medicare, medicaid, very aggressively, more aggressively than ever before, and have saved tens of billions. 50 billion of waste taken out of the system. i worked with democrats and republicans to cut a trillion dollars out of the discretionary domestic budget. largest cut in the discretionary domestic budget since dwight eisenhower. we know we have to do more. i put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. on a website, you can look at the numbers. what cuts we make, and what revenue we raise. and the way we do it, $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 additional revenue, paid for by asking those who have done very well in this country to contribute more to reduce the deficit. the bowles-simpson suggested that's how we do it. in a balanced way with some revenue and some spending cuts. and this is a major difference that governor romney and i have. let me fin their point. you're looking for contrasts. you know, when governor romney stood on a stage with other republican candidates for the nomination, and he was asked, would you take $10 of spending cuts for just $1 of revenue? an

. >> it cuts $716 billion from medicare to pay for it. i want to put that money back in medicare. it has killed jobs. >> reporter: but the president tried to bring it back to romney's own health care law which he says is quite similar. >> governor romney did a good thing working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model. it hasn't destroyed jobs. >> reporter: there were few fireworks and there were even fewer surprises. both candidates were deliberate going through their policy points. rob, paula, at times that made it seem look they were more concerned with getting through their checklist than really connecting with voters watching at home. >> all right, karen. a moment when they were talking what programs would be cut. all of a sudden you heard sesame street, big bird, big bird started trending. tell us what happened? >> oh, yeah, don't let your kids hear this one. big bird is apparently on the chopping block in a mitt romney budget. he said there have to be programs that have to be eliminated if we have to borrow money. look, i love pbs, i love big bird, b

't helping kids learn. we wept after medical fraud in medicare and medicaid very aggressively. and have saved tens of millions of dollars. and i worked with democrats and republicans to cut a trillion dollars out of our discretionary domestic budget. that's the largest cut in the discretionary domestic budget since eisenhower. i put forth a specific deficit deduction program. it is all on the website. you can look at it yourself. and the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for a dollar of additional revenue paid for as i indicated earlier by asking those of us who have done very well in this country to contribute a little bit more to reduce the deficit in this country. we have to do it in an balanced way with some revenue and some spending cuts. this is a major difference that we have. when governor romney stood on a stage with other republican candidates for the nomination and he was asked, would you take $10 of spending cuts for just $1 of revenue? and he said no. now, if you take such an unbalanced approach, then that means you are going to be gutting o

medical fraud in medicare and medicaid very aggressively, more aggressively than ever before, and it saved tens of billions of dollars. we cut a trillion dollars out of the discretionary domestic budget, the largest cut since dwight eisenhower. we all know we've got to do i have put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. it is on our website. you can look at all the numbers. the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 of additional revenue, paid for, as i indicated earlier, by asking those of us who have done very well in this country to contribute a little bit more to reduce the deficit. governor romney mention the bowles-simpson commission. that is how the bipartisan commission suggested we do at, with some revenue anddsome spending cuts. this is a major difference that governor romney and i have. when governor romney stood on the stage with other republican candidates for the nomination, he was asked, would you take $10 of spending cuts for just $1 of revenue? and he said no. now, if you take such an unbalanced approach, then that means you are going to be gui

intentioned but weren't helping kids learn. we went after medical fraud in m medicare and medicaid very aggressively, more aggressive than ever before. and have said tens of billions of dollars. $15 billion of waste taken out of the system. and i worked with democrats and republicans to cut a trillion dollars out of our discretionary domestic budget. that's the largest cut in the discretionary domestic budget since dwight eisenhower. now, we all know that we've got to do more. and so i've put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. it's on a website. you can look at all the numbers. what cuts we make and what revenue we raise. and the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut we ask for a dollar of additional revenue paid for, as i indicated earlier, by asking those of us who have done very well in this country to contribute a little bit more to reduce the deficit. and governor romney earlier mentioned the bowles-simpson commission. that's how the commission -- bipartisan commission that talked about how we should move forward suggested we have to do it. in a balanced way with

paid for obama-care by cutting $716 billion from medicare. you didn't have to do it. president obama had no answer. mitt romney said president obama you talk about a few tax breaks for the oil and gas industry. you have given much more tax breaks to the alternative energy energy and you have nothing to show for it. president obama just looked at him. at the end of the day barack obama couldn't engage on substance last night. the facts aren't going to get any better between thousand and the next two debates. the alternative energy market is not going to start working in the next two weeks. the obama economic policies aren't going to be working in the effect two weeks. it wasn't about style. it's about substance and obama not being able to stand on his own record. that record is not going to change between now and the next debate. martha: thank you for being with us today. bill: president obama telling the american people there is one pledge he will always keep. >> four years ago i said i'm not a perfect man and i'm no won't be a perfect president. that's probably a promise governor ro

of the segment and i get the last word. let me make the comment. >> let's get back to medicare. >> i had five seconds before he interrupted me. >> and ready to rumble, steven colbert helps train jon stewart for his weekend showdown with bill o'reilly, that is if he doesn't chicken out first. >> jon, you're in worst shape than i thought. i'm going to have to take this to another level. full immersion. guenther, fetch me chucker carlson. thank you. >> so, after i use the chicken to wash your car. >> yes. >> am i ready? >> no. not even close, because to defeat bill o'reilly you must first catch the bird, wax my car with the bird and absorb its soul, the bird to defeat bill o'reilly you must make the bird into a chick-fil-a fillet sandwich. >> no. that is completely absurd! do you want to win? >> i do want to win. >> let the training begin. >> all right! ah -- >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in denver where mitt romney took the fight to president obama in wednesday's debate. last night it was the president who often seemed remote and disengaged. joining me now on the phone from the presiden

said? i'm only in my 60's... i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it could save you thousands in out-of-pocket costs. call now to request your free decision guide. i've been with my doctor for 12 years. now i know i'll be able to stick with him. you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. plus, there are no networks, and you never need a referral. see why millions of people have already enrolled in the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp. don't wait. call now. >> both of you have spoken about a lot of different things, we'll try to get through them as specific a way as we possibly can. governor romney, do you

, peanut butter, coconut. >> delicious! here you go, paula! >> ha-ha! medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it helps pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and could save you thousands in out-of-pocket costs. to me, relationships matter. i've been with my doctor for 12 years. now i know i'll be able to stick with him. [ male announcer ] with these types of plans, you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. plus, there are no networks, and you never need a referral to see a specialist. so don't wait. call now and request this free decision guide to help you better understand medicare... and which aarp medicare supplement plan might be best for you. there's a wide

older, sicker seniors in medicare, and every health care economist who looks at it says, over time, what will happen is the traditional medicare system will collapse. and then what you've got is folks like my grandmother at the mercy of the private insurance system precisely at the time that they are most in need of decent health care. so i don't think vouchers are the right way to go. and this is not my -- only my opinion. aarp thinks that the savings that we obtained from medicare bolstered the system, lengthened the medicare trust fund by eight years, benefits were not affected at all, and ironically, if you repeal obama care, and i have become fond of this term, obama care, if you repeal it, what happens is, those seniors right away are going to be paying $600 more in prescription care. they're now going to be having to pay co-pays for basic checkups that can keep them healthier, and the primary beneficiary of that repeal are insurance companies that are estimated to gain billions of dollars back when they aren't making seniors any healthier. and i don't think that's the right

de buenas intenciÓn pero no ayudaron a los jÓvenes a aprender. medicare y medicado mÁs agresivamente que nunca antes y se ahorro aarÓn miles de millones de dÓlares. >>> despilfarro del sistema trabaje con ambos partidos para llegar a un presupuesto dis considere cional. y se fue el recorte mÁs grande, y fondos dis considere cionals del presidente hay seno hospital gÜero. puse un plan de dÉficit de 3 millones de millones de dÓlares. y pueden verlo en internet. lo hacemos de esta manera. y por cada 2 dÓlares y 50 centavos. de recorte pedimos un dÓlar. que contribuye a ellos que han ganado mÁs dinero en nuestra economÍa. para reducir tl dÉficit. el gobernador menciono la comisiÓn. que harÁ by pasto dista y dijo como debÍamos progresar y hacerlo de manera equilibrada. con recortes, y con mayores ingresos. y este es una gran diferencia que tengo con el gobernador. y porque preguntÓ sobre el contraste. >>> dijo que cuando le preguntaron si aceptarÍa 10 dÓlares de recortes por un dolar de ingresos. y dijo que no. y si uno toma un plantan desequilibrado y esto afectara nuest

the candidates were telling the truth in tonight's debate. john berman with another reality check. >> medicare a bit topic for some time. mitt romney made the claim that president obama is going to make cuts that affect people on the program today. >> what i support is no change for current retirees and near retirees to medicare and the president supports taking $716 billion out of that program. >> he also used other language in his program, saying obama wants to cut $716 billion. this one checked and checked again. medicare will still grow, it will just grow more slowly, a reduction of growth by $716 billion, and a lot of the money coming out of medicare advantage, not money for beneficiaries, the verdict here is with the language mitt romney uses the verdict is false. i want to talk about health care in general. president obama says good news about health care cost premiums. >> over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up, it's true, but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years. so we're already beginning see -- >> let's look at the facts. medicare premiums did

went after medical fraud in medicare and medicaid very aggressively, more aggressively than ever before. and we have saved 10's of billions of dollars. 50 million in waste taken out of the program. i have worked with the federal government to cut a trillion dollars out of our domestic discretionary budget. that's the largest cut in the budget since dwight eisen hour. . . when governor romney stood on a stage with other republican candidates for the nomination and he was asked, would you take $10 of spending cuts for just $1 of revenue? and he said no. now, if you take such an unbalanced approach, then that means you are going to be gutting our investments in schools and education. it means that governor romney talked about medicaid and how we could send it back to the states, but effectively this means a 30% cut in the primary program we help for seniors who are in nursing homes, for kids who are with disabilities. >> mr. president, i'm sorry. >> that is not right strategy for us to move forward. >> governor, what about simpson- bowles? do you support simpson-bowles? >> simpson-bowles,

to medicare and does it matter. these are all of the things the fact checkers are trying to get through. we'll have all of that later on. right now, though, matt jablow is out at maryland university where students watched the debate unsold and they're going to have a lot to say about who won or who lost. first, though, let's get to gary nurenberg who has got the story on what both men had to say tonight. gary. >> reporter: well, derrick, no big mistakes. no campaign killing stupidity. if you haven't been paying attention until now, both men let you know what they're offering if they get elected. things you didn't see. on her 20th anniversary, michelle obama embracing ann romney. the off camera advice hard for the candidate to take. >> okay. have a good time. >> reporter: they tried big smil, big hand shakes, grab your elbow, don't know what they said when the mikes couldn't hear. and then you can ask but i'm going to do it my way. >> mr. president, please respond directly to what the governor just said about trickle down. >> well -- >> reporter: he didn't respond to that question. went to h

. in medicare and medicaid. very aggressively. more aggressively than ever before and have saved tens of billions of dollars. i worked with democrats and republicans to cut a trillion dollars out of our discretionary domestic budget. that's the largest cut in the discretionary budget since dwight eisenhower. we know we have to do more. and so i put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. it's on the website, you can look at the numbers, what cuts we make and what revenue we raise. and the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 of additional revenue, paid for, as i indicated earlier, by asking those of us who have done very well in this country, to contribute a little bit more to reduce the deficit. governor romney earlier mentioned the simpson commission. that's how the bipartisan commission that talked about how we should move forward, suggested we should do it. with some revenue and some spending cuts. and this is a major difference that governor romney and i have. let me just finish this point, because you're looking for contrasts. you know, when governor

medicare. where he said under his health care plan everyone with a pre-existing plan would be covered and his own senior aid went into the press room ten minutes later and said, no, that's not true. debates are several cycles, right? you have the debate itself and then you have the morning after and the days after. and what governor romney did last night was say what he needed to say. what the president did was he talked straight from the heart and levelled with the american people about where we need to go. >> anita, perception is reality and the headlines have turned mitt romney's way. and the president as narrow as this race is if he wants to be re-elected can't afford to let this tighten anymore in states like florida. the president pointed to agreements between himself and mitt romney last night. take a look. >> governor romney and i both agree our corporate tax rate is too high. governor romney and i, we both agree that we've got to boost american energy production. one of the things i suspect governor romney and i probably agree on is getting businesses to work with community c

or retire and start allowance on social security or medicare. a lot of things that lock people in and get them to focus on government has been later in life. but i think if we did a better job of branding the things that affect us early in life and letting people know was head start important for you? government. was free lunch important to you. government. did you take the school bus to school. government. and letting people know that all of these things that we sort of think of as a part of the world with schools bus, they run. police officers are there because they are there. if we do a abort do a better job of letting them know people are making decisions to directly impact you. that's the stuff that gets them hooked on voting. not because a candidate is cool or because just because it's an election year. they stay hooked forever. >> politics are polarized. i think one the greatest things being mayor or being involved in politics it's not partisan. you know, so the great thing, obviously, you know, there's no democrat or republican way to fill a pothole on the local level we can't def

about romney's work at bain capital, press him on the 5 trillion, defend his own cuts to medicare. there's a long list of things he didn't say, yes, i think that's why you heard him giving a robust appearance today on the stump. you see him continue to do that, and the become campaign is signalling it will be a different performance next time. >> 58 million people are the early numbers of people that watched the debate. i saw david axelrod and david plauffe didn't bring it up because there's ads out there. you've been a vocal supporter of the president. let me play it. >> there's no question here that president obama showed that his campaign has been doing the work for him, and mitt romney has been doing the work for his campaign. without a question the obama supporters were on their heels last night and disappointed, wondering where was this guy who they've been seeing in these tv commercials going so hard at mitt romney? >> to put in perspective, we don't know if there's an actual bump for mitt romney on this. it will take days before we see the polling which has been repeated over and

trillion or billion i forget what it is? cut to medicare which isn't true. and even if you wanted to say it was true, every republican said he's supporting also supports the exact same thing. they are accounted for in the ryan budget minus $200 million so $916 billion. these are the things i think are problematic in terms how the policy debate and i think that the super packs only make it worse. you have individuals who have personal opinions they are trying to force upon people. i think we would be better off with a -- we would be. i'm happy to be a part of super pac. i'm happy to defend barack obama he's the beefs and next president of the united states. and that's great. but do i wish this didn't have to be? yeah. i do. and i think that experiencing connecticut in public finance we have campaigns and in new york city they work fine. and voters while they may say they're not happy with taxpayer funded campaigns, you know, things have gone smoothly in a lot of the places that have public financing. i think that the rhetoric doesn't match the reality at the end of the day. we'll see wher

, that essentially it leads medicare to run out of money eight years earlier. and he could press romney on why on earth he wants to redistribute money from ordinary taxpayers to hospital company shareholders. he didn't do any of that. >> speaking of pressing, which was 47%? when was bain capital? where was the war on women? >> it was a very low energy debate. there weren't a lot of zingers or agrow or flash points. if you were watching that for the first time coming into the political landscape cold, you would wonder whirks haven't the guys come together with a bipartisan fiscal deal over the last couple of years? you didn't get that sense of intense anger and emotion on stage last night. yes, they are different in the issues, but you really could feel these are two professorial people with many views could have been pretty boring to watch. and there was not the passion. >> i want to bring in congressman steve israel, democrat from new york, also the chair of the democratic national campaign committee. i'm sure you listened to the post-debate last night. no 47%, no bain, there are for many dem

in the world do we do it without eviscerating medicare, medicaid, social security, and military spending? >> well, very clearly as you know, the republicans actually have a plan written down as opposed to obama and the democrats who have no plan to balance the budget written down. the republicans passed through the house paul ryan's budget. paul ryan does for all the welfare programs what clinton did, speaking of clinton. the one thing he did in the presidency rather than bringing us the republican house and senate, the other good thing he did was welfare reform. block granting welfare to the states. that's what the ryan plan does to save money. and that's how we balance the budget without raising taxes. >> but paul ryan has disavowed the ryan plan. mitt romney is not bound he says by the ryan plan. mitt romney has offered a plan that is actually has so little in that you can't even run the numbers. i mean, if you have a plan that is basically filled with empty magic asterisks you can't analyze whether this will deal with a budget deficit in the future. the independent tax policy center

with the slowest job growth in 50 years. >> whether it was health care, jobs, or medicare, it was romney who stood out for his aggressive ste. >> i just don't know how the president could have come into office facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table, and spend his energy and passion for two years fighting for obama care. >> the president made his points in a slower, more laid back, often looking down, sometimes appearing disengaged. it's not that he didn't try to rip apart romney's economic plan. >> that kind of top-down economics where folks at the top are doing well, so the average person making $3 million is getting a $250,000 tax break while middle class families are burdened further. >> romney was determined to go toe to toe. >> well, but virtually everything he said about my tax plan is inaccurate. if the tax plan he described were a tax plan i was asked to support, i would say absolutely not. >> the president did get digs in. >> for 18 months he has been running on this tax plan, and now five weeks before the election he is saying t

to reform medicare, listen. >> when you move to a voucher system you are putting seniors at the mercy of those insurance companies, and over time if traditional medicare has decayed or fallen apart then they are stuck, and this is the reason why aarp has said that your plan would weaken medicare substantially. >> reporter: well that response brought a sharp rebuke from the aarp which right after the debate put out a statement that said, quote, aarp has never consented to the use of its name by any candidate or political campaign. it seemed, jon, last night president obama just couldn't get a break. jon: wow smacked down at every turn it seems. john roberts. >> reporter: smacked down by the aarp. jon: whacked. thanks, john. jenna: many analysts are saying it was a victory for governor romney. that's one of the things we'll be talking about, including with bill crystal writing this in the "weekly standard." quote, mitt romney stood and delivered the best debate performance by a republican presidential candidate in more than two decade. let's bring in a.b. stoddard the associated editor

médico de medicare y medicate como nunca antes y nos ahorramos decenas de miles de millones de dólares. he trabajado de republicanos y demócratas para rebajar un millón de millones. el recorte mayor fiscal de este presupuesto. todos sabemos que tenemos que hacer más, por lo tanto, presenté un déficit de 4.000 millones de dólares, está en la página cibernética nuestra. pueden ver las cifras y que entradas elevamos. y la manera que hacemos nosotros, son 2 dólares 50 centavos por cada recorte. pedimos un dólar de entrada adicional, pagado como dije anteriormente pidiendo aquellos que han tenido buen resultado en este país. que contribuyen más para reducir el déficit. el gobernador romney mencionó la comisión. y esta comisión, bipartidista dice que tenemos que hacerlo de manera equilibrada con entradas y recortes y gastos. gran diferencia que tenemos el gobernador romney y yo. permite terminar el punto. está buscando un contraste. cuando el gobernador romney estuvo ante el escenario con otros candidatos republicanos para su nominación. le preguntaron a él, tomaría 10 d

importante, no nos ayudara a crecer y como cambias, hablas de cambiar medicare a los estados mento hablamos de 30% de recorte en medicate con el spar del tiempo. esto va y no parece como algo importante. el número en una hoja de papel si hablamos de una familia que tiene un hijo autista, y está dependiendo de ese medicate un gran problema. los gobiernos son creativos pero no son eficientemente creativos para poder darle un 30% de recortes a medicate, cuando algunas personas no reciben ayuda. >>> mira, hemos comentado muchos temas ahí, será difícil pasar del medicare. las empresas que se ex patria. el recorte fiscal para las petroleras es de 2,8 mil millones de dólares al año. en un año, tú ofreciste 90 mil millones de recortes fiscales al mundo de energía verde. a mí me gusta la energía verde, pero son 50 años de lo que recibe petróleo y gas. tú harás de exxon mobile estos 2 miles millón de dólares. van a pequeñas empresas. si logramos reducirlo de 35 a 28%, esos 2,8 mil millones de dólares están sobre la mesa. no van a sobrevivir probablemente si bajamos el tipo a 25%.

the tempo. sometimes serving as the moderator himself. >> let's get back to medicare. the president began this segment. so i get the last word. >> you're going to get the first word of the next segment. >> he gets the first word of that segment. i get the last word of the segment. >> it didn't take long for the deep philosophical agreements to come through. first on taxes where the president pressed romney on what he characterized as a $5 trillion tax cuts. >> he's saying he's going to pay for it by closing loopholes and deductions. the problem is he's been asked over 100 times how to close the deductions and loopholes and he hasn't been able to identify them. >> virtually everything he said about the tax plan is enaccurate. if it were a tax plan i was asked to support, i would say absolutely not. i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cuts. i said i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan, and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big bold idea is never mind. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor o

're going to see a $716 billion cut to medicare. you'll have 4 million people who will lose medicare advantage. you'll have hospital providers that will no longer accept medicare patients. i'll restore that $716 billion to medicare. and finally, military. the president's re-elected you'll see dramatic cuts to the military. the secretary of defense has said these would be devastating. i will not cut our commitment to our military. i will keep america strong and get america's middle class working again. thank you jim. >> thank you governor, thank you mr. president. >> the next debate will be on thursday october 11th. for now from the university of denver, i'm jim lehrer, thank you and good night. >> that's the end of the first presidential debate between governor romney of massachusetts and president obama. you see both men being greeted by their wives on stage. even this portion of the debate is negotiated ahead of time by the campaigns in terms of which members of their family will be joining them on stage. this is, these these are negotiated down to this level of detail. in terms of

taking $716 billion out of medicare. how many times did he say it? count along with us. >> romney: medicare for current retirees he's cutting $716 billion. because of those $716 billion in cuts. 716--$716 billion--$716 billion. you're going to see a $716 billion cut to medicare. and the president support taking $716 billion out of that program. >> cenk: he said it ten times! and every time literally screaming in the studios in new york going hit him back! that's not true! say it isn't true! instead, this is what president obama said. >> obama: um um, um, and um, and and um, now, um um, you know, that may not-- >> cenk: oooh! because of that he found himself in the middle of a ring going hey, what's going on? where did mitt go? oh no, he's on the top rung. we didn't want to see that. we didn't want to see that. then mitt romney sets him up perfectly. you know, you got to mention bain. you got to mention the cayman islands and the swiss bank accounts. >> you say you get a deduction for taking a plant overseas. look i've been in business for 25 years. i have no idea what you're talki

trillion tax cut. i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. an unelected board, appointed board who are going to decide what kind of treatments you ought to have. >> not true, not true, not true, not true. and since mr. romney got the last word at the debate last night, why don't we give the last word today to the president. >> he knows full well that we don't want what he's been selling for the last year. so governor romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president, you owe the american people the truth. >> well said, mr. president. let's get right to our panel. in washington form eer communications director and msnbc political analyst karen finney, and in philadelphia professor james peterson of lehigh university and a regular contributor to thegrio.com. good afternoon to both of you. karen, what did you make of the president's recognition today that his rival is leading the double life of willard "mitt" romney, there are two people traveling around the cou

will see 4 million people who will lose medicare advantage, hospitals and providers that will no longer accept medicare patients. i'll restore the $716 million to medicare. and military, if the president is re-elected you will see dramatic cuts. the secretary of defense said this will be devastating. i had not cut our commitment to our military. i had get america's middle class working and keep the military strong. thank you, jim. >> thank you, mr. president. the next debate, the vice presidential event on thursday, october 11th at center college in danville, kentucky. for now, from the university of denver, i'm jim lehrer, thank you, and good night. [ applause ] >> they started off with a hahn shake and smile. wound up with a handshake and smile and meeting their respective families at the end of the 90-minute debate. the president actually spoke for a little more than four minutes more than mitt romney spoke, 42:50 for the president. 38:32 for mitt romney. a pretty good night for mitt romney. expectations were so much higher for the president that he would come out swinging, but mitt

on the health care program for seniors which is popular, but costly. they are talking act medicare. >> i think it's important for governor romney to present the plan that will only affect folks in the future. the essence of the plan is that he would turn medicare into a voucher program. it's called premium support, but understood to be a voucher program. >> you don't support that? >> i don't. let me explain why. >> again, that's for future, not current retirees. >> if you are 54 or 55, you might want to listen. >> i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. you point out, we are putting some back, we are going to give them a better prescription program. it's $1 for every $15 you cut. they are smart enough to know it's not a good trade. >> when the subject moved to health care, mr. romney was first to point out the reforms he signed into law in massachusetts was something he shied away from in the past. the president could come into office facing 23 million people out of work, an economic crisis at the kitchen table and spent his energy and passi

: doctor shaffner, thank you, sir. word today of a major medicare fraud bust. the u.s. attorney general calling it win of the biggest deficits of it kind. 91 people, including doctors and nursing facing charging for ripping off taxpayers with bogus claims to the tune $430 million. officials say it was happening in seven different cities and the suspects would bill for unnecessary procedures or services they never delivered at all. this is the latest sting following a recent crackdown on medicare fraud. >> it seems like summer just ended but already some folks about to see a little bit of snow. winter weather warnings are now in affect as millions across the country brace for a blast of cold. that is next. rogresso. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your world. ♪ [ whispers ] real bacon... creamy cheese... 100 calories... [ chef ] ma'am [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. >>trace: people in some parts of the country are businessing for the first snow of the season. winter storm warnings in effect for the northern plains and upper m

what the candidates had to say about medicare, taxes coming up at 5:30. back to you. >> really interesting. fall pledge drives have started at your local public tv and radio. >> big bird will have to take a pay cut. >>> we had a couple of former local politicians watch the debate in our studio last night. former congressman tom periello of virginia conceded mitt romney won the night but he may have to pay the price for his strong performance. >> his policy positions are completely opposite from everything he said the last 18 months. i think he came across strongly but i think people's concern is does this guy have a core sense of right and wrong. when they look at the policy discrepancies and how it falls on the middle class, he will have to answer for that. >> we'll also hear from former maryland governor gobb earlic what he thought of the debate coming up in our next half- hour. >>> police are asking to help find a missing fairfax county teenager. ryan glenn -- bryan glenn was last seen outside of w.t. woodson high school but he wasn't at class. investigators have been out wi

-elected, you will see a $716 billion cut to medicare. you will have four million people who will lose medicare advantage, hospitals and providers that will no longer accept medicare patients. i will restore that $716 billion to medicare. finally, military. the president's re-elected, you will see dramatic cuts to the military. the secretary of defense says these would be devastating. i will not cut our commitment to our military. i will keep america strong and get america's middle class working again. thank you, jim. >> jim: thank you, governor. thank you, mr. president. the next debate will be the vice-presidential event on thursday, october 11 at center o'clock in danville, kentucky. for now, from the university of denver, i'm jim lehrer. thank you and gbts. ooh thank you and good night. [cheers and applause] did >> 90 minutes later. it was a robust debate, in the team jerseys, governor rom flee in the reds tie, president obama in the blue. romney landing a number of job jabs on everything from debt and jobs and the economy to health care, to his green energy program, saying, americans, repu

the president and kept increasing in that this charge that the president was cutting $716 billion for medicare. it doesn't seem like the president got a chance to that he refuted that. it's been an ongoing debate. critics of the governor saying well, wait a minute, romney yin plan has that same cut in this and i think the president probably should have done more. >> thank you. >> great to see you again, greta. >> time is running out early voting underway in many states. does our next guest think either candidate managed to grab voters from the other candidate? next. >> i will eliminate all program fwhiz test if they don't pass it. is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from china to pay for it? if not, i'll get rid of it. obama care is on the list. i use that term with all respects. >> i like it. >> good. >> i'll get rid of that. jim i'm going to stop subsidy to pbs. i like pbs and i like you, too. but i'm not going to spend money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> the fact is if you're running the race the way you describe, governor and it's not possible to

that? he says, oh, i'm going to repeal dodd frank. oh, yeah, medicare will be a voucher. these are not good things for mitt romney. >> yeah. juan, you want to throw to your favorite piece for the night? >> sure. here is president obama responding to one of these -- i don't know what you call it, distortion, dreamland that romney presented and i think as time goes on, people will say, these policies are not good policies. not the guy i want to vote for. >> well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan and now five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big bold idea is never mind. >> never mind. never mind my promise that i'm going to cut taxes and i'm going to also balance the deficit, but i'm not going to tell you about the loopholes i'm going to close or the deductions. so just trust me. you know, come on. >> that would be -- if that was an effective message, then president obama would have done a lot better last night. that is the line that the obama team has been trotting out for several months and then it didn't match up with reality and if you do

health care provider. theygot 100 people charged with medicare fraud tonight. >> involving billions of taxpayer dollars. >> presidential candidates are hitting battleground states after their first toe to toe matchup. >> joe saunders talks about the pressure he faces later in sports. dodge the warm temperatures and around until the weekend. >> live, local, latebreaking. you're watching wbal tv 11 news at 6:00 p.m. wbal tv 11 news at 6:00 >> presidential candidate to back on the campaign trail today. >> they are hitting battleground states in their first face-to- face battleground. many thought that governor romney was the victor. >> they compared to the playoffs, after the game you evaluate and make adjustments. president obama came out in the battleground state of colorado firing and ready for the fight. >> when i got on the stage, i am at a very spirited fellow the claims to be mitt romney. >> that man could not have been his rival. >> he does not want to be held accountable for the real decisions that he has been saying for the last year. that is because he knows full well that w

. americans appear to be their credit card debt. >> 100 people face big charges for defrauding the medicare system. up,ome nice color showing not too far to the west. >> the largest case of medicare fraud in history. >> over 90 people are accused of government. -- scamming the government. looking at the second largest fraud bus industry. these miami arrest some of the doctors and medical nationwide.ken down they stand accused of a $430 million in fraud. >> it drives up health care costs in jeopardize is the of the medicare program. victimizes the most vulnerable members of our society. elderly, disabled, and impoverished americans. runningre accused of or0 million kickback scheme often nogot guess but medical care. -- where patients got the deficit but often no medical care. from brooklyn to los angeles, agentss of federal to send oneher message to crooks. >> health-care fraud has never been a worst proposition that it is today. you are more likely to get make aif you do fraudulent claim. >> one extreme case, officials said a doctor in dallas often documentscks of without any review in a sc

cut to medicare. you have 4 million people who lose medicare advantage. you have hospitals and provides no longer accepting medicare. i will restore that $716 billion to meddcare. finally, military. you will see dramatic cuts toward military if the president is reelected. pt is said this will be devastating. i will not cut our commitment to the military. i will keep america strong and get america's middle-class working again. thank you, jim. >> thank you. the next debate will be on thursday, october 11 on -- at center college in kentucky for now, i am -- aa center college in kentucky." for now, i am jim lehrer. good night. [applause] >> and now, the familles are on stage as the first of three presidential debates comes to a close. we have been falling the romney campaign. carl, an event like this ends, whoever you were for you believe it did just great. whether you were against, you think did just horribly. >> it will be hard to judge initially. like so many debates, the spot analysis that will happen in the spin room for the next three or four hours, wwat will be all over

, when he was attacking romney in the middle section of the debate over his budget, medicare and tax plans. other than that, i don't think people would come away with much of an idea of what president obama would give them if they give him another four years. >> romney, they say, will ultimately rise in the polls because of his debate perfo performance. for that small number of voters that haven't made up their minds, has this helped romney? >> very difficult past few weeks, if last night went well for the president you kind of have a hardening of the belief that the race is virtually sealed, out of reach. the debate has ended that discussion and it's going to remind us, move into the conversation, a reminder that the president faces in this debate. mitt romney did had himself some good with those undecided voters and just as importantly energized the he republican base. there's a sense of retooling in the obama campaign, look, incoming presidents often have problems in their first debate. people don't talk to you like that in the oval office. no question the president needs a reset.

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